[新聞] 楊照:為什麼捷運沒人搭? - 機車
By Liam
at 2009-04-28T00:52
at 2009-04-28T00:52
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轉貼一下... http://blog.roodo.com/lakatos/archives/8690585.html
補一篇新的
楊照應該是沒學過計量,所以犯了辨識因果關係(identification)的錯。東京少機車和台
灣多機車不一定是大眾運輸系統發不發達照成的,Ricter和盤老大說的溫度問題可能還比
較有關係。台灣沒有溫帶冷,也沒有熱帶熱,所以機車比東京和新加坡多是合理的。
但是這樣還是不能下結論,就是說台灣氣候就是適合機車。比較值得看的是台北在有捷運
後,機車使用率的情況是否下降。個人認為應該是很明顯的有下降。所以除了氣候外,經
濟發展(含大眾運輸系統在內),對機車使用率有很大的影響。
然後就回到毛治國說的,沒有捷運運量,蓋捷運是浪費這個意見。毛治國當然是錯的,需
求不是靜態,只看一期的。經濟發展是一套的,也就是所長說的雞生蛋,蛋生雞的問題。
身為自由經濟支持者,我很少支持政府花錢的項目,但是大眾運輸系統在台灣距離浪費的
階段還遠得很,再蓋一百條沒人搭的捷運都比花在失業救濟,還是老人年金好。社會福利
花了就不見了,公共建設就算被貪污了,也還留條捷運在。不要關在家裡自已爽,那麼多
官員出國考察,考個屁察,通通坐黑頭轎車去了嗎?沒有去看看人家的路網多發達嗎?
但是我永遠支持台灣人騎機車的自由。捷運沒辦法和機車競爭是政府不夠努力的錯,怎麼
可以比輸了,就禁止人家騎機車。
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據說我們楊大大這篇算是比較正常的一篇了,不過在PTT的交通類看板還是一陣"腥風血
雨"。
理由是,台灣的機車那~麼多,還不是因為以前的政府沒有發展大眾運輸,人民為了求生
存,只好自力救濟準備自有的交通工具;正好日本人把速克達往台灣猛倒(許心萍的碩士
論文,199X),所以......。
(題外話,我跟這位小姐的碩班老闆-駱館長的同儕曹壽民老師聊過這篇,曹老師說:其
實我沒什麼在管她那篇,因為她會寫,所以我就讓她自己去寫了。)
可是好啦,事實上自用車的污染度其實是很高的,機車的能源使用率雖然比汽車好,但是
聚沙成塔也是很可怕;所以一般高度發展的國家都會希望把運輸問題交由公共運輸工具(
火車、捷運/地鐵、公車,如果是長途運輸,則在某些國家還會有高鐵;至於一般客機當
然也算公眾運輸,只是如果在討論都會區運輸問題的時候,沒有人會討論飛機跟高鐵的。
)來解決。
然而,當某個政府想要奮發勁起,彌補過去對大眾/公眾運輸的不足之時,卻又發現到:
要讓已經養成騎車/開車習慣的人改搭公車、捷運,幾乎是緣木求魚。有效的作法是,利
用"外部成本內部化"的概念,讓自用車的使用成本提升(燃料稅、牌照稅、停車費
......),逼/破/促使原本開車;騎車的人改搭公車還是捷運。
接下來全部都是政治實務工作問題,而非運輸學或經濟學問題。
所以簡言之,這是一個雞生蛋、蛋生雞,循環論證的過程:
缺乏大眾運輸->自立救濟買車來開/騎->交通惡化->發展大眾運輸->打壓私有運輸(
=自己開車騎車)->因為大眾運輸不發達/不便因而導致鄉民大爆炸->不敢打壓私有運
輸以發展大眾運輸->缺乏大眾運輸......
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
這是一個台大經濟系 駱教授的網站
這是他跟幾個網友的留言版 互相討論事情
最下面幾篇有討論到今天楊照的發言...
轉錄其中一則
--
補一篇新的
楊照應該是沒學過計量,所以犯了辨識因果關係(identification)的錯。東京少機車和台
灣多機車不一定是大眾運輸系統發不發達照成的,Ricter和盤老大說的溫度問題可能還比
較有關係。台灣沒有溫帶冷,也沒有熱帶熱,所以機車比東京和新加坡多是合理的。
但是這樣還是不能下結論,就是說台灣氣候就是適合機車。比較值得看的是台北在有捷運
後,機車使用率的情況是否下降。個人認為應該是很明顯的有下降。所以除了氣候外,經
濟發展(含大眾運輸系統在內),對機車使用率有很大的影響。
然後就回到毛治國說的,沒有捷運運量,蓋捷運是浪費這個意見。毛治國當然是錯的,需
求不是靜態,只看一期的。經濟發展是一套的,也就是所長說的雞生蛋,蛋生雞的問題。
身為自由經濟支持者,我很少支持政府花錢的項目,但是大眾運輸系統在台灣距離浪費的
階段還遠得很,再蓋一百條沒人搭的捷運都比花在失業救濟,還是老人年金好。社會福利
花了就不見了,公共建設就算被貪污了,也還留條捷運在。不要關在家裡自已爽,那麼多
官員出國考察,考個屁察,通通坐黑頭轎車去了嗎?沒有去看看人家的路網多發達嗎?
但是我永遠支持台灣人騎機車的自由。捷運沒辦法和機車競爭是政府不夠努力的錯,怎麼
可以比輸了,就禁止人家騎機車。
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
據說我們楊大大這篇算是比較正常的一篇了,不過在PTT的交通類看板還是一陣"腥風血
雨"。
理由是,台灣的機車那~麼多,還不是因為以前的政府沒有發展大眾運輸,人民為了求生
存,只好自力救濟準備自有的交通工具;正好日本人把速克達往台灣猛倒(許心萍的碩士
論文,199X),所以......。
(題外話,我跟這位小姐的碩班老闆-駱館長的同儕曹壽民老師聊過這篇,曹老師說:其
實我沒什麼在管她那篇,因為她會寫,所以我就讓她自己去寫了。)
可是好啦,事實上自用車的污染度其實是很高的,機車的能源使用率雖然比汽車好,但是
聚沙成塔也是很可怕;所以一般高度發展的國家都會希望把運輸問題交由公共運輸工具(
火車、捷運/地鐵、公車,如果是長途運輸,則在某些國家還會有高鐵;至於一般客機當
然也算公眾運輸,只是如果在討論都會區運輸問題的時候,沒有人會討論飛機跟高鐵的。
)來解決。
然而,當某個政府想要奮發勁起,彌補過去對大眾/公眾運輸的不足之時,卻又發現到:
要讓已經養成騎車/開車習慣的人改搭公車、捷運,幾乎是緣木求魚。有效的作法是,利
用"外部成本內部化"的概念,讓自用車的使用成本提升(燃料稅、牌照稅、停車費
......),逼/破/促使原本開車;騎車的人改搭公車還是捷運。
接下來全部都是政治實務工作問題,而非運輸學或經濟學問題。
所以簡言之,這是一個雞生蛋、蛋生雞,循環論證的過程:
缺乏大眾運輸->自立救濟買車來開/騎->交通惡化->發展大眾運輸->打壓私有運輸(
=自己開車騎車)->因為大眾運輸不發達/不便因而導致鄉民大爆炸->不敢打壓私有運
輸以發展大眾運輸->缺乏大眾運輸......
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
這是一個台大經濟系 駱教授的網站
這是他跟幾個網友的留言版 互相討論事情
最下面幾篇有討論到今天楊照的發言...
轉錄其中一則
--
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