今天被GALANT逼車 - 重機
By George
at 2008-02-28T04:28
at 2008-02-28T04:28
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※ 引述《AAApeter (退檔絕對比DSG快)》之銘言:
: 關於版友提供的影片
: 兩段影片,先講porsche 996 carrera 4 VS yamaha R1
: 這蠻明顯的,直線PORSCHE被R1抓回來,彎道中一瞬間超過R1,
: 應該已經說明很多事情了,
: -------------------------------------------------------------------
: 我想R1在仿賽裡面的競技實力如何這邊都是專家不需我多說,
: 但是996 careera4在跑車裡面的實力如何?真的只是996車系性能最低階的一款,
: 但是這不重要,小補充一下而已~
: --------------------------------------------------------------------
: 另外一段
: 大家應該有注意到用了疊影的比較,
: 看起來真的是在小髮夾彎裡面999略快一籌耶~
: 各位同意4輪過彎極限較高的朋友們,
: 小髮夾彎可能就是跟我門認知的不太一樣的哦,
: 我自己在TIS裡面的經驗也就是髮夾彎速度份外的低,
: 感覺我騎車貼著彎頂點過真的可以比較快
路過表達一下意見....不是想戰,只是分享自己對車輛的經驗~
雖然大家會覺得汽車跟重車性質不同,沒有比較的意義,但很有趣的是,
經常又會在重車版看到被車子挑釁的文章,所以這也代表著其實是有比較
的空間的...換個簡單的例子,若警察開車想在山路追騎重車的搶匪,有
沒有機會?
首先,一定要先固定某些變因,討論才不會失焦:
1. 車手技術相同:都會取線,對煞車點及出彎的控制都很靈活
2. 車況正常:都是原廠車,都是道路用胎,正常負重,汽車為2.0轎跑車,
重車為600街跑車,其他一般條件都相同....(ex.機油/車輛年齡..),而
且車輛都有足夠的馬力跑到彎中極限速度的....
3. 天氣一般:晴天萬里,無風無浪~~氣溫與氣壓均正常~
4. 路況正常:道路順暢,無龜車及紅綠燈,其餘與一般道路同~
再來,比較開始,雙方優缺點為:
1. 機車有傾角限制:過彎時,高中物理說a= V^2 / R,而a(向心加速度)的
大小就是靠壓車角度,讓輪胎跟地面產生向心力...但機車傾角有限(最多
是Moto GP的70度),所以即使重車車手心臟強到每次都壓車到極限角度,
也還是沒有辦法把輪胎能力發揮到極致(除非胎差,天氣差,路面差);
而汽車便可以完全發揮輪胎能力了,除非翹單邊~(不過這種狀況應該是要
排除討論的...)
2. 機車有轉倒的心理壓力:車身壓越低,除了視野差之外(一般都用內傾),
因為輪胎正向力減少,就越不能煞車,一按大力點就轉倒~對路面的敏感
度也增加(跳一下或壓到樹葉就轉到),所以一般道路上,機車過彎一定會
比汽車更保守~就更沒辦法發揮輪胎能力.....
3. 機車軸距短:同樣性能的車,山路上軸距短的贏,因為他可以抓出比別人
更長的過彎半徑,所以有更快的過彎速度~
4. 機車重量輕:車子越輕表示輪胎能提供的向心加速度a越大,過彎速度越
快;就單以Galant來比較,即使汽車胎接地面積較大,換算每平方受力
值應該還是重車領先!
5. 機車體積小:汽車體積大,所以如果遇到路很窄的山路,光閃山壁就來不
及了,更不用談要發揮輪胎極限了;但機車卻還是可以照常壓車,不受限!
綜合以上做個總結好了:
1. 在大彎或連續小彎(或者說不用壓到底或壓到有心理障礙就可以過的彎),
重車贏....
2. 在窄路彎道,重車贏...
3. 上面彎道以外的彎,汽車贏...
4. 在路面差的彎:汽車贏....(在台灣這條已經可以決定汽車通常會贏了)
5. 同樣路不熟的地方:汽車贏...(心理層面就贏了)
6. 重車極限被物理特性所限制,所以會輸會贏汽車性能占了很大因素!
所以我認為這不是零合遊戲,就算有一方輸了過戶,也不代表
他就是錯的~他可能只是選錯比賽地點....以上~TKS
--
: 關於版友提供的影片
: 兩段影片,先講porsche 996 carrera 4 VS yamaha R1
: 這蠻明顯的,直線PORSCHE被R1抓回來,彎道中一瞬間超過R1,
: 應該已經說明很多事情了,
: -------------------------------------------------------------------
: 我想R1在仿賽裡面的競技實力如何這邊都是專家不需我多說,
: 但是996 careera4在跑車裡面的實力如何?真的只是996車系性能最低階的一款,
: 但是這不重要,小補充一下而已~
: --------------------------------------------------------------------
: 另外一段
: 大家應該有注意到用了疊影的比較,
: 看起來真的是在小髮夾彎裡面999略快一籌耶~
: 各位同意4輪過彎極限較高的朋友們,
: 小髮夾彎可能就是跟我門認知的不太一樣的哦,
: 我自己在TIS裡面的經驗也就是髮夾彎速度份外的低,
: 感覺我騎車貼著彎頂點過真的可以比較快
路過表達一下意見....不是想戰,只是分享自己對車輛的經驗~
雖然大家會覺得汽車跟重車性質不同,沒有比較的意義,但很有趣的是,
經常又會在重車版看到被車子挑釁的文章,所以這也代表著其實是有比較
的空間的...換個簡單的例子,若警察開車想在山路追騎重車的搶匪,有
沒有機會?
首先,一定要先固定某些變因,討論才不會失焦:
1. 車手技術相同:都會取線,對煞車點及出彎的控制都很靈活
2. 車況正常:都是原廠車,都是道路用胎,正常負重,汽車為2.0轎跑車,
重車為600街跑車,其他一般條件都相同....(ex.機油/車輛年齡..),而
且車輛都有足夠的馬力跑到彎中極限速度的....
3. 天氣一般:晴天萬里,無風無浪~~氣溫與氣壓均正常~
4. 路況正常:道路順暢,無龜車及紅綠燈,其餘與一般道路同~
再來,比較開始,雙方優缺點為:
1. 機車有傾角限制:過彎時,高中物理說a= V^2 / R,而a(向心加速度)的
大小就是靠壓車角度,讓輪胎跟地面產生向心力...但機車傾角有限(最多
是Moto GP的70度),所以即使重車車手心臟強到每次都壓車到極限角度,
也還是沒有辦法把輪胎能力發揮到極致(除非胎差,天氣差,路面差);
而汽車便可以完全發揮輪胎能力了,除非翹單邊~(不過這種狀況應該是要
排除討論的...)
2. 機車有轉倒的心理壓力:車身壓越低,除了視野差之外(一般都用內傾),
因為輪胎正向力減少,就越不能煞車,一按大力點就轉倒~對路面的敏感
度也增加(跳一下或壓到樹葉就轉到),所以一般道路上,機車過彎一定會
比汽車更保守~就更沒辦法發揮輪胎能力.....
3. 機車軸距短:同樣性能的車,山路上軸距短的贏,因為他可以抓出比別人
更長的過彎半徑,所以有更快的過彎速度~
4. 機車重量輕:車子越輕表示輪胎能提供的向心加速度a越大,過彎速度越
快;就單以Galant來比較,即使汽車胎接地面積較大,換算每平方受力
值應該還是重車領先!
5. 機車體積小:汽車體積大,所以如果遇到路很窄的山路,光閃山壁就來不
及了,更不用談要發揮輪胎極限了;但機車卻還是可以照常壓車,不受限!
綜合以上做個總結好了:
1. 在大彎或連續小彎(或者說不用壓到底或壓到有心理障礙就可以過的彎),
重車贏....
2. 在窄路彎道,重車贏...
3. 上面彎道以外的彎,汽車贏...
4. 在路面差的彎:汽車贏....(在台灣這條已經可以決定汽車通常會贏了)
5. 同樣路不熟的地方:汽車贏...(心理層面就贏了)
6. 重車極限被物理特性所限制,所以會輸會贏汽車性能占了很大因素!
所以我認為這不是零合遊戲,就算有一方輸了過戶,也不代表
他就是錯的~他可能只是選錯比賽地點....以上~TKS
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