是PTT太誇張還是社會對重機觀感就是超糟 - 重機
By Frederica
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被介紹知道有這版,爬文看到這篇,我才知道 hw 你的心路歷程 XDDDD
※ 引述《hw102050 (喵不完的春天)》之銘言:
: 我跟你講啦
: 因為重機是機車,加上國家交通政策上長期污名機車這族群
這個是猜的,當你用猜的東西去形成推論時會形成滑坡謬論
我不排斥國家有可能污名化機車,但是我沒證據,就不引用
另外國家不是一個人,你覺得全都有問題嗎?
你以為交通部裡每個職員都不騎機車嗎?
: 所以一旦機車想要跟汽車有差不多的路權,就是會有人腦袋當機
所有人,除了贏者圈,還是學生父母就送車的以外
通通都能說出'我騎車,我也開車'這句話來
那你怎麼會認為這些騎車也開車的人不是多數?
: 所以要扭轉這種情況
: 1是你可以費力氣用科學證明重機不是洪水猛獸
: 2是你把其他車種拉下神壇,證明台灣的用路人其實都是一坨O
難怪你的行為變這樣
我身為工程師,邏輯觀念很好,所以我會寫程式,也會找自己程式的問題?
錯!這叫球員兼裁判
我們一定要另聘測試員,由測試員來測試我的程式,我自己看就會有盲點
這就是只講邏輯時會出現的錯誤,我都覺得自己對,我怎麼找得到自己問題
可是一但由別人找到問題,我再去檢查,就可以看到為什麼邏輯出錯
可以說工程師是活在不斷否認自己邏輯的生活裡
不然我們就別想修正自己的問題
明天的我,要指責昨天的我,這是完全不違和的
但相對的,指責只是指責,不會帶有過大的情緒
否則打臉時很痛
知道我多常打自己臉嗎?我一個產品出去,被抓到數百個 bug 是小 case
也就是我要打自己臉數百次,才能把產品修正完
所以我怎麼會對修正用情緒
你的討論方式,尤其是第2點,報復性太強烈
雖然現在一堆吵論文作假,我的論文也沒多好
但我一直以為,研究方法才是我的收獲,寫個論文只是去實作一次過程
那你寫過論文嗎?教授有沒有教你在討論時要壓抑情緒?
如果你開始進行人身攻擊,情緒會讓你忽略自己的錯誤,
會讓你以為自己找到的證據或推論是對的
再來,任何行為,其實還蠻符合我前陣子常看到的梗圖
第一張圖是我以為的我
第二張圖是別人眼中的我
第三張圖是事實上的我
(總共好像有六張,我也不太清楚我為何只記得三張)
因此當你進行以上第二點的方式,你總覺得有效,但事實是什麼?
: 所以我選擇2比較抒壓,反正汽車幾乎2-3天就一個事故新聞
: 我就天天貼,天天反諷,用數量證明那個事故最多的最干擾這個社會的
: 其實不見得是重機(笑
你覺得你證明事故最多不是重機
但我卻解讀成你想用別的車種的錯誤,來模糊自己的錯誤
所以我會不斷跳針跟你說 人民不得主張不法之平等
對我來說,重機有錯就罰重機就好,不要去講汽車也有錯;完全與機率無關
機率是一種沾光的行為
就好像如果我台大畢業,我一直說我台大的,再說台大畢業有極高機率會成功
事實上我為什麼不直接證明自己行?
萬一別人都行,只有百分之一的人不行,但那百分之一就是我,怎麼辦?
所以我不行但我一直強調台大的行,機率很高,那不就只是沾光?
當你覺得舉出數據可以強調你要強調的東西時
閱讀者根本解讀出和你想像的不同的東西
而且在有人出 youtube 影片,強調沒有重機族群這個概念時
你還不斷舉數據,那根本是在打他的臉
因為這數據就是建立在'有這個族群,我們來分析族群'的概念上
因此,你也看不到我轉發這種文章來反擊
不是我找不到,別人一直找到,我抄就行了
是因為我根本不認為這是好的反擊
一反擊就好像在說'重機有錯,所以汽車也可以錯'
我一樣會告訴自己,人民不得主張不法之平等
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: 然後我最近又有一個體悟,他們愛酸重機的事故,那就給他們酸
: 然後列舉出各種車種的肇事率跟死亡率
: https://i.imgur.com/bMfvKBm.png
: 喜歡死亡率低肇事率低的水準是不是
: 那就開放白牌免待轉上紅盾上國道阿
: 而且因為白牌可以上國道,自然會花大錢買路權買重機的人就少
: 重機就會自然衰退減少
: 討厭重機!就該支持白牌路權!!
: 通常這樣你就會看到常見的酸酸們腦袋當機的樣子w
什麼是當機,那你覺得我常當機嗎?
你以為你自己是什麼樣子,和別人實際看到的不同
這句話,也可以用在我身上
我以為我沒當機,但你覺得我當機,這種事也是會有的
我朋友就有重機,我不討厭重機,這我在別篇交代過了
其次我又常說我檢舉汽車比檢舉機車還多
我討厭的就是不合理的用路方式
不管任何車種;重機這樣我討厭,輕機普重這樣我討厭,汽車這樣我也討厭
所以在你的自白下,我才是比你更有資格說
'我騎車,我也開車'(好吧,雖然騎車是好幾年前;這幾年都不騎了)
用這起手式說明自己中立,然後開始討論的人
: 因為他們不是討厭重機,是討厭機車
: 一旦你鼓吹把機車的權力拉到等同重機甚至更高
: 他們的論點就自然站不住腳了
當你觀察力出問題,後續的推論就會有斜坡錯誤
你在這裡不當連噓仔,當然環境友善多了
你可以試試在八卦板也別當連噓仔
當你自己先不友善,實在就沒資格說八卦板不友善
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: 車板看重機,比八卦板看重機還友善一點,這也是一件很奇異的事 呵呵
在車板看重機,也覺得重機網友友善多了,奇異嗎?
我覺得很正常好嘛
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