怎樣的吃機油才能算「合理範圍」 - 重機
By Sarah
at 2020-12-03T01:57
at 2020-12-03T01:57
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小弟我今年五月的時候
從三重本田買了人生第一輛重機CBR500R
第一輛車不敢亂搞+怕破壞保固
除了輪胎和來令片
所有保養維修都是回原廠處理
里程八千時發現吃機油問題嚴重
車身立直時機油視窗乾巴巴完全看不到油
詢問車友群組
在近300人的大群裡,只有一個人也同樣遇到吃機油情況
知道這台車吃機油狀況並不尋常後
我在第一時間就將車子進廠維修
中間配合原廠進行引擎檢查與各種測試
(期間得知機油少的量大於1cc/10km)
前前後後搞了三個月
才終於等到台廠自稱來自日本本田的回覆
「這屬於正常消耗」
機械運作我不懂
維修部講了很多什麼「引擎內視鏡進去看都正常」「引擎吹漏氣消耗機油」「變速箱會消
耗機油(????)」「排氣管沒有噴煙」等等原理我都不明白
我在乎的點只有
100個車主超過99個都沒吃機油
只有我這台不只吃,還吃超爆幹多
多到我每次保養都要多買一瓶機油的程度
這也能叫正常消耗??
要是哪天我想賣車
跟買家說別人都不會
就我這台會爆幹吃機油
這車能賣??
買引擎送車殼但會吃機油你要先說啊!!
不過就像前面說的
我對車子真的不懂啦
搞不好真的是我自己過敏不是嗎??
於是我決定發這篇文問問看經驗老道的車友來決定後續要怎麼處理
沒吃機油通病的車爆吃機油也能用「正常消耗」來解釋嗎?
(而且吃的速度似乎還在加劇中)
更:
後續又接到三本一通電話
大意是排氣管、汽缸、活塞環等等通通沒問題
那些機油是引擎吹漏氣的「正常消耗」
我:「別人的車也有吹漏氣為啥就我的吃特別多?」
三本:「這個問題我有幫你反映,但你的排氣管、汽缸、活塞環等等都ok,引擎沒有問題
」
我:「引擎沒有問題,那難道不會是吹漏氣相關的系統有問題嗎?」
三本:「機油只會從引擎剛剛提到的那些地方吃,吹漏氣屬正常消耗」
我:「即使我車上的吹漏氣消耗比別人多幾十上百倍也叫正常消耗?」
三本:「日本說是正常消耗」
我:「所以我這台車這個問題,你們後續都不會有任何補償或處理就對了」
三本:「(唯唯諾諾的講了一堆有盡力爭取過之類的幹話但總之) 對!」
好啦,所以吃機油找不到原因就通通推給吹漏氣就好
-----------12/4更,保養維修工單佐證--------------
8/25
https://i.imgur.com/xevUT2R.jpg
第三次回廠保養時第一次反應吃機油問題(紅框處)
服務說明欄位可證明前三次保養均為原廠(也有工單只是省點篇幅不PO)
保養後台本在機油視窗做標記並拍照留存
表示下次有少時再回廠可以比較
9/24
回廠表示機油有變少
台本檢查後確定的確有少,要留車,可能會拆引擎
由於預計會出保,可申請代步車
附上那時跟業務詢問代步車的對話內容
https://i.imgur.com/DhySaOR.png
工單則和下面10/8交車那張同一張
10/8
https://i.imgur.com/JVBimRn.jpg
台本從屏東那邊弄來了引擎內視鏡
沒有拆引擎就可以看引擎內部
看完後發現活塞、汽缸...等等都正常
但吃機油確實是異常現象
因為原廠最標準的機油是G3(G4和力豹仕雖然更好但並非標準)
讓我用G3回去騎個1000公里,回頭再用針筒添加機油來精準計算吃多少
並將資料回報給日本,看下一步要求怎麼處理
11/4
https://i.imgur.com/xPaQ2PJ.jpg
1400公里後回廠,計算出吃機油150cc
將資料發送日本詢問該如何處理
12/1
打電話來表示一切正常
不會有後續維修與補償
12/4
打了一通0800客訴電話
提到在網路上詢問車友多數人都認為這是瑕疵車的事實
抱怨他們指鹿為馬硬說吃機油正常的事
12/8
接到三本廠長打來的電話
轉述台本中央的說法
說是堅持要拆引擎的話要簽切結書
要是拆開找不到問題我要自負費用
簡單來說
台本中央現在還是堅持我車子正常
「拆引擎喔?你確定?拆完找不到問題你要負責喔?是你說要拆的不是我們要拆的喔~」
大概是這種態度
無言以對,一邊等消保官通知的同時,我也只能再打一次0800去靠北
即使99%人都覺得車子有壞,台本中央還是覺得讓地方經銷商去打發我就好
這就是我曾經信任的、台灣本田備受推崇的售後服務
--
從三重本田買了人生第一輛重機CBR500R
第一輛車不敢亂搞+怕破壞保固
除了輪胎和來令片
所有保養維修都是回原廠處理
里程八千時發現吃機油問題嚴重
車身立直時機油視窗乾巴巴完全看不到油
詢問車友群組
在近300人的大群裡,只有一個人也同樣遇到吃機油情況
知道這台車吃機油狀況並不尋常後
我在第一時間就將車子進廠維修
中間配合原廠進行引擎檢查與各種測試
(期間得知機油少的量大於1cc/10km)
前前後後搞了三個月
才終於等到台廠自稱來自日本本田的回覆
「這屬於正常消耗」
機械運作我不懂
維修部講了很多什麼「引擎內視鏡進去看都正常」「引擎吹漏氣消耗機油」「變速箱會消
耗機油(????)」「排氣管沒有噴煙」等等原理我都不明白
我在乎的點只有
100個車主超過99個都沒吃機油
只有我這台不只吃,還吃超爆幹多
多到我每次保養都要多買一瓶機油的程度
這也能叫正常消耗??
要是哪天我想賣車
跟買家說別人都不會
就我這台會爆幹吃機油
這車能賣??
買引擎送車殼但會吃機油你要先說啊!!
不過就像前面說的
我對車子真的不懂啦
搞不好真的是我自己過敏不是嗎??
於是我決定發這篇文問問看經驗老道的車友來決定後續要怎麼處理
沒吃機油通病的車爆吃機油也能用「正常消耗」來解釋嗎?
(而且吃的速度似乎還在加劇中)
更:
後續又接到三本一通電話
大意是排氣管、汽缸、活塞環等等通通沒問題
那些機油是引擎吹漏氣的「正常消耗」
我:「別人的車也有吹漏氣為啥就我的吃特別多?」
三本:「這個問題我有幫你反映,但你的排氣管、汽缸、活塞環等等都ok,引擎沒有問題
」
我:「引擎沒有問題,那難道不會是吹漏氣相關的系統有問題嗎?」
三本:「機油只會從引擎剛剛提到的那些地方吃,吹漏氣屬正常消耗」
我:「即使我車上的吹漏氣消耗比別人多幾十上百倍也叫正常消耗?」
三本:「日本說是正常消耗」
我:「所以我這台車這個問題,你們後續都不會有任何補償或處理就對了」
三本:「(唯唯諾諾的講了一堆有盡力爭取過之類的幹話但總之) 對!」
好啦,所以吃機油找不到原因就通通推給吹漏氣就好
-----------12/4更,保養維修工單佐證--------------
8/25
https://i.imgur.com/xevUT2R.jpg
第三次回廠保養時第一次反應吃機油問題(紅框處)
服務說明欄位可證明前三次保養均為原廠(也有工單只是省點篇幅不PO)
保養後台本在機油視窗做標記並拍照留存
表示下次有少時再回廠可以比較
9/24
回廠表示機油有變少
台本檢查後確定的確有少,要留車,可能會拆引擎
由於預計會出保,可申請代步車
附上那時跟業務詢問代步車的對話內容
https://i.imgur.com/DhySaOR.png
工單則和下面10/8交車那張同一張
10/8
https://i.imgur.com/JVBimRn.jpg
台本從屏東那邊弄來了引擎內視鏡
沒有拆引擎就可以看引擎內部
看完後發現活塞、汽缸...等等都正常
但吃機油確實是異常現象
因為原廠最標準的機油是G3(G4和力豹仕雖然更好但並非標準)
讓我用G3回去騎個1000公里,回頭再用針筒添加機油來精準計算吃多少
並將資料回報給日本,看下一步要求怎麼處理
11/4
https://i.imgur.com/xPaQ2PJ.jpg
1400公里後回廠,計算出吃機油150cc
將資料發送日本詢問該如何處理
12/1
打電話來表示一切正常
不會有後續維修與補償
12/4
打了一通0800客訴電話
提到在網路上詢問車友多數人都認為這是瑕疵車的事實
抱怨他們指鹿為馬硬說吃機油正常的事
12/8
接到三本廠長打來的電話
轉述台本中央的說法
說是堅持要拆引擎的話要簽切結書
要是拆開找不到問題我要自負費用
簡單來說
台本中央現在還是堅持我車子正常
「拆引擎喔?你確定?拆完找不到問題你要負責喔?是你說要拆的不是我們要拆的喔~」
大概是這種態度
無言以對,一邊等消保官通知的同時,我也只能再打一次0800去靠北
即使99%人都覺得車子有壞,台本中央還是覺得讓地方經銷商去打發我就好
這就是我曾經信任的、台灣本田備受推崇的售後服務
--
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