yt這車禍限速內騎真的就不會撞到嗎? - 機車

By Jake
at 2022-06-01T09:45
at 2022-06-01T09:45
Table of Contents
https://youtu.be/39IfsRuFr8w
看到留言蠻訝異的,這距離即使限速45~50騎,遇到對向硬轉,
從開始反應急煞到煞停要不碰到白車都很緊繃吧?
白車開始轉的時間剛好摩托車剛過停止線,摩托車左方還有一台黑色轎車,
摩托車視角看到白車硬轉大概是剛過黑車副駕位置才會看到,
開始反應時間差不多影片15秒黑車頭、摩托車前輪出現,撞上是16快17秒的時間,
https://i.imgur.com/Kc5QMwX.png
https://i.imgur.com/02wJnpe.png
用前面一點小黃從畫面上停止線到撞擊點的位置看的話,大約是2台車身多一點,
https://i.imgur.com/LMiFDg1.png
https://i.imgur.com/0Jk6xrc.png
這距離真的算機車還很遠嗎?
https://i.imgur.com/Q0NPc79.png
用一般常見轎車身長推算4.6公尺多抓一點4.7來算,兩台9.4,再多抓一點湊整數10公尺,
然後隨便google查的一般摩托車煞停反應距離:
https://www.yunlin.gov.tw/News_Content.aspx?n=1244&s=216549
時速40從反應到煞停距離約為17.6公尺,然後影片這車禍停止線到撞擊點約10公尺,
再多抓一點假設騎士剛過黑車副駕的位置是12公尺,
12公尺的距離從開始反應到煞停怎麼想感覺都有點緊繃啊?
以上推算有錯還請更正,原本看影片就覺得反應距離很短,實際推算發現真的有點緊繃,
我一直以為這種車流量大加上沒左轉號誌的路口,都是確定對向車道沒有車輛遮蔽視野,
而且確定距離是我轉到一半,對向車輛不用踩、拉煞車、放油門也能經過的距離才夠,
原來這樣硬轉開車是...正常的?= =
https://i.imgur.com/ObEBk7v.png
不強調直行車路權,這情況即使過路口放慢根本也未必能安全下庄吧?
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看到留言蠻訝異的,這距離即使限速45~50騎,遇到對向硬轉,
從開始反應急煞到煞停要不碰到白車都很緊繃吧?
白車開始轉的時間剛好摩托車剛過停止線,摩托車左方還有一台黑色轎車,
摩托車視角看到白車硬轉大概是剛過黑車副駕位置才會看到,
開始反應時間差不多影片15秒黑車頭、摩托車前輪出現,撞上是16快17秒的時間,
https://i.imgur.com/Kc5QMwX.png


用前面一點小黃從畫面上停止線到撞擊點的位置看的話,大約是2台車身多一點,
https://i.imgur.com/LMiFDg1.png


這距離真的算機車還很遠嗎?
https://i.imgur.com/Q0NPc79.png

用一般常見轎車身長推算4.6公尺多抓一點4.7來算,兩台9.4,再多抓一點湊整數10公尺,
然後隨便google查的一般摩托車煞停反應距離:
https://www.yunlin.gov.tw/News_Content.aspx?n=1244&s=216549
時速40從反應到煞停距離約為17.6公尺,然後影片這車禍停止線到撞擊點約10公尺,
再多抓一點假設騎士剛過黑車副駕的位置是12公尺,
12公尺的距離從開始反應到煞停怎麼想感覺都有點緊繃啊?
以上推算有錯還請更正,原本看影片就覺得反應距離很短,實際推算發現真的有點緊繃,
我一直以為這種車流量大加上沒左轉號誌的路口,都是確定對向車道沒有車輛遮蔽視野,
而且確定距離是我轉到一半,對向車輛不用踩、拉煞車、放油門也能經過的距離才夠,
原來這樣硬轉開車是...正常的?= =
https://i.imgur.com/ObEBk7v.png

不強調直行車路權,這情況即使過路口放慢根本也未必能安全下庄吧?
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All Comments

By Olivia
at 2022-05-31T01:30
at 2022-05-31T01:30
是主因,你不要亂轉,我騎多快都不會摔。

By Joe
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By Rosalind
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By John
at 2022-06-02T19:38
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違規,轉彎車一律吃六成肇責

By Eartha
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By Edwina
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By Ingrid
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By Jessica
at 2022-06-02T19:38
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吧?在有視線死角的情況下轉彎,車頭就應
該要慢慢推出去,而不是油門直接踩下去。

By Liam
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By Ethan
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By Ida
at 2022-05-31T01:30
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撞到車尾了還是剛過一點點

By Caroline
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By Isla
at 2022-05-31T01:30
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左轉車不等視線夠好才轉,機車剛好被對向

By Joseph
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By Bennie
at 2022-05-31T01:30
at 2022-05-31T01:30
好還要等一台機車過,機車過路口前面有空
檔機會給對向左轉,我是會先放慢確定對向
意圖...

By Ivy
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By Rachel
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By Barb Cronin
at 2022-06-02T19:38
at 2022-06-02T19:38
14秒 小鴨已到中線了

By Dora
at 2022-05-31T01:30
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前車 機車也是有肇責

By Rosalind
at 2022-06-02T19:38
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機車肇責最多四成

By Lily
at 2022-05-31T01:30
at 2022-05-31T01:30
白車前面還有一台也要左轉的機車,人家就
沒動,白車很有自信的硬要先轉。

By Rachel
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By Jacky
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By Suhail Hany
at 2022-06-02T19:38
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白車看對向黑車,黑車跟機車角度只要呈一

By Catherine
at 2022-05-31T01:30
at 2022-05-31T01:30
會根本沒發現那台機車。

By Adele
at 2022-06-02T19:38
at 2022-06-02T19:38
出來就知了

By Edward Lewis
at 2022-05-31T01:30
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全責

By Genevieve
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By Andy
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By William
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By George
at 2022-05-31T01:30
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也是常常出車禍的地點

By George
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By Tracy
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家

By Annie
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By Michael
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By Cara
at 2022-06-02T19:38
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会死就会死啦

By Lauren
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By Dorothy
at 2022-06-02T19:38
at 2022-06-02T19:38
轉彎禮讓直行了 笑死

By Erin
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By Sarah
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By Adele
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By Skylar DavisLinda
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By Charlotte
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By Suhail Hany
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By Hedwig
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By Suhail Hany
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By Oliver
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By Cara
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By Poppy
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50以下不會煞到前後輪都呸輪

By Olivia
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By Annie
at 2022-05-31T01:30
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直接撞上去。他閉眼睛在騎車嗎?

By Hamiltion
at 2022-06-02T19:38
at 2022-06-02T19:38
面是全乾

By Zenobia
at 2022-05-31T01:30
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超速的狀況,左轉車的問題就是更大。

By Tristan Cohan
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By Olivia
at 2022-05-31T01:30
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汽車視角看不到摩托車,他看到黑色車要讓他

By Susan
at 2022-06-02T19:38
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來說完全沒辦法注意。

By Edward Lewis
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By Frederic
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By Carol
at 2022-05-31T01:30
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煞得停的 但是這台白車還是沒禮讓直行車 因

By Dinah
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By Megan
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題更大,很難理解嗎?

By Dora
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By Steve
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By Steve
at 2022-06-02T19:38
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的全紅時再轉阿? 你在說啥...

By Brianna
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By Mia
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By Sarah
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By Sandy
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By Edith
at 2022-05-31T01:30
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這台汽車真的轉太慢了!!

By Lily
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By Elma
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By Joseph
at 2022-06-02T19:38
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抓好距離,不是賭直行車一定能讓你。

By Mia
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By Ivy
at 2022-06-02T19:38
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說不需減速 看一下速限再看一下那台機車

By Puput
at 2022-05-31T01:30
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車可以過,機車視角 好爽沒車給他催下去

By Edward Lewis
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By Freda
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By Kama
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By Susan
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By Anthony
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騎過快車?

By Enid
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By Rachel
at 2022-06-02T19:38
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汽車機車

By Steve
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By Sierra Rose
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By Steve
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By Mary
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By Elma
at 2022-05-31T01:30
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速全責

By Emily
at 2022-06-02T19:38
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出就可以轉的邏輯?

By Cara
at 2022-05-31T01:30
at 2022-05-31T01:30
超速

By Brianna
at 2022-06-02T19:38
at 2022-06-02T19:38
煞車,素質高到不會有搶快轉彎車,例外
的名古屋就不清楚了

By Kumar
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By Emily
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By Quintina
at 2022-05-31T01:30
at 2022-05-31T01:30
撞的機會比較高,但誰知道,那車會怎麼
反應

By Lauren
at 2022-06-02T19:38
at 2022-06-02T19:38
,不要當車流的第一台車,
,要忍下來控制車速當第二台車以後

By Una
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By Robert
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By Jessica
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By Hardy
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By Margaret
at 2022-05-31T01:30
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這你機車會煞不住?

By Caroline
at 2022-06-02T19:38
at 2022-06-02T19:38
就是在賭不會有突發狀況

By William
at 2022-05-31T01:30
at 2022-05-31T01:30
要衝就是大腳踩了是在那邊慢慢起步什麼
?機車那個明顯快於同向車流的騎法,就
算沒超速也是經驗不足啦,看前方車流都
慢了就算什麼都看不到也應該減速觀察情
況,只有菜鳥才會以為這是個加速超車的
時機啦

By Gary
at 2022-06-02T19:38
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By Irma
at 2022-05-31T01:30
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讓惹
你機車卻能撞上去,這會沒超速嗎

By Delia
at 2022-06-02T19:38
at 2022-06-02T19:38
別人不是笨蛋,一定是前方有狀況
而不是想著能加速超車 Yahoo

By Poppy
at 2022-05-31T01:30
at 2022-05-31T01:30
速了

By Poppy
at 2022-06-02T19:38
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By Poppy
at 2022-05-31T01:30
at 2022-05-31T01:30
斑馬線上被撞,除了確認對向直行車,
還有斑馬線的行人欸;對向內側直行車
讓了,轉彎車有確認對向其他車道直行
車也讓嗎?另外,這地方要做左轉號誌
吧

By Puput
at 2022-06-02T19:38
at 2022-06-02T19:38
汽車要轉不轉的是在幹嘛?

By Ula
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By Yedda
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By William
at 2022-05-31T01:30
at 2022-05-31T01:30
明最會轉??

By Faithe
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By Emily
at 2022-05-31T01:30
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w有責
不要無視判決有提到 轉彎車已有停下3
~4秒 給直行2.5秒以上反應時間
bmw那起還是撞轉彎車車頭
原po這起是撞車尾
是騎多快 又貪油門 不收油 可以整台車
都轉出來 那麼久都沒看到?

By Emma
at 2022-06-02T19:38
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By Tom
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By Andy
at 2022-06-02T19:38
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前者限速50 要嚴重超速要達超速60=11
0
那我騎109超速59沒責 騎110變嚴重超速
全責 最好是這樣啦

By Gilbert
at 2022-05-31T01:30
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By Zanna
at 2022-06-02T19:38
at 2022-06-02T19:38
每天車流量那麼大
然後大部分都2、2.5線道
而且很多左轉處是有設置左轉燈的
常常直行走一走變成左轉道
靠右走又有違停公車腳踏車機車藍藍路
整條道路設計都有問題
至少要完整兩線道直行
然後左轉要專門在路口處畫一個和對向對
稱的左轉道

By Ina
at 2022-05-31T01:30
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和原本右邊車道的擠一起搞不懂幹嘛不像
國外那樣多劃一個出去

By Yedda
at 2022-06-02T19:38
at 2022-06-02T19:38
而且還雙白線
不提早轉出來外線就一定會跨雙白

By Kumar
at 2022-05-31T01:30
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By Sierra Rose
at 2022-06-02T19:38
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速會無肇責阿... 只是不到嚴重超速幾乎不

By Andy
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By Queena
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By Christine
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By Isabella
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By Megan
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路以後多畫禁行機車

By Barb Cronin
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By Heather
at 2022-05-31T01:30
at 2022-05-31T01:30
你硬要扯這種 109/110 的問題,那要不要提
限速 50 騎到 51 的話也超速,該吃肇責。

By Steve
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By Agatha
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By Madame
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By Yuri
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By Hazel
at 2022-06-02T19:38
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已等待3~4秒 直行有2.5秒以上反應 所以

By Margaret
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By Sandy
at 2022-06-02T19:38
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直行才全責

By Zanna
at 2022-05-31T01:30
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以上反應?

By Ophelia
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By Hazel
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By Jessica
at 2022-06-02T19:38
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bmw裡那toyota 的3~4秒還多吧?

By Caitlin
at 2022-05-31T01:30
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。BMW案例 Toyota 完全沒有反應時間
的。

By Caroline
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By Dinah
at 2022-05-31T01:30
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未違反「轉彎車應讓 直行車先行」之
規定

By Connor
at 2022-06-02T19:38
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判斷他到底要幹嘛

By Caitlin
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By Xanthe
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By Connor
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By Lily
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By Xanthe
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機車卻沒看到 撞上

By Bethany
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By Annie
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By Genevieve
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一定是對的

By Edward Lewis
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By Emma
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車讓直行車 。根本拿錯案例

By Ula
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By William
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。 Totoya沒有違反轉彎車讓直行車。
原Po案例的 你要說沒看到其他車嗎?

By Kumar
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我只想表達你拿錯誤案例類比了

By Ida
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By William
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直行的參考 未必這樣

By Ida
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By Freda
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錯的

By Hedda
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By John
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By Necoo
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By Valerie
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By Ina
at 2022-06-02T19:38
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就等到變紅燈了 大家都看到 就機車沒
看到?

By Hardy
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By Brianna
at 2022-06-02T19:38
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至於40 39會不會肇事,不予討論

By Dinah
at 2022-05-31T01:30
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他去死,直接撞上去,爽拿年終

By Queena
at 2022-06-02T19:38
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車有時速差很大,不想誤判就是多等

By Puput
at 2022-05-31T01:30
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看清楚再轉根本上不了新聞

By Hardy
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By Zenobia
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By Eden
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By Ethan
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右側 還不是會撞

By Zora
at 2022-06-02T19:38
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等,但白車轉了後慢慢開橫在路中間…

By Rae
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By Steve
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By Edwina
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這是只要大家都遵守就不會有車禍的方式
啊
不然如果跟以前一樣轉彎超過多少就是直
行車的責任的話大家都搶著轉彎就好了
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