5/29去網友推薦的宏宜修不好車的真正原因 - 機車
By Queena
at 2013-06-19T13:51
at 2013-06-19T13:51
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前述第17453篇
緣由:
因125的風雲騎起來笨笨的沒速度,於是5/29星期三去網友推薦的台中高工宏宜
想若網友推薦的不錯,將以後從逢甲跑到高工那找固定實在的店家修理
重述修車情況:
5/29號星期三下午3點,第一次跑去網友推的宏宜,告訴老闆經網友介紹,特地從逢甲
跑到高工來修車,因為車子速度笨笨的,加速沒力沒速度,30公里的車就很難超..
也跟老闆說會將修車最後情況回文到網路上,老闆一再強烈拒絕,原因是,他怕經網推薦
生意會太好,若有特定問題的車找他修要花時間,會耽誤其它簡易的換機油、輪胎等等
工作時間.....心想也對,老闆說有的車查不出原因,花了時間該怎麼跟消費者索費?
心想也對.....
但一切事情真的發生在我的車子上......
我的13年舊車風雲125,因為上述原因,特意跑去給老闆修,老闆試騎後,打開傳動,就說
原因很多,看我怎麼修,我說車子舊了,只要跑老車的速度就可,新車100,至少老車也80
公里,可以超30、40公里速度的車就好,因為現在只騎市區上班,因為我的車引擎安靜,
不吃機油,一發就動,不抖動,就只有一個問題,速度笨笨的,起速無力,極速約40~50
公里.......我跟老闆說預算2000內,只要有提升至老車的速度水準就可,不行就要換車了....
我特意跟老闆說要換原廠的零件,不要副廠的....
老闆說普力珠有磨損,皮帶有裂,夾盤有磨損,空濾要換....報價1950,比我預算少50
老闆還特意拿零件外包裝給我看,除皮帶是光陽原廠外,其它都是三陽原廠
看了包裝的確是這樣.......
但換修到一半,說少報了另一半夾盤,要價400看我要不要修,我當然說一定要修阿
總共2300,比我的預算多300,心想車速度有提升正常就好......
換完後,老闆試騎後,果然不行,跟原來一模一樣,老闆就說我的原廠的三陽彈簧比較不
緊,換裝更長更硬的二手大彈簧,我試騎了還是一樣....
於是老闆就拆了化油器,給我看,有點濃稠的膏狀物,我就說髒了吧,他說這是第二個
原因,於是噴了清潔劑清潔,負壓膜也檢查無破裂,但他裝不回去了,因為他說這個原
廠用久了會變大,所以裝不密合,拿一個二手的來給我裝,他說這樣應該就解決了...
於是他又試騎,又沒有任何改善,他私底下調"蘇落"之後我試騎有沒有改善,原本我還說
老闆覺得可以就可以,但老闆堅持叫我試騎,果然一點都沒有改善,反而聲音更大聲,我
跟老闆說,完全沒改善,只是聲音更大聲,你是不是調蘇落,他也承認了,一點都沒改善
,於是他又拆舊黃包裝了三陽原廠的彈簧,硬度長度和我原有的一樣,還是不行,他就換回
他的二手長硬的大彈簧.....
耗了3個小時,他說一定是引擎,我說網友討論可能是氣閥漏氣,他測了壓力,就說應該是
15但我的只有8,於是他說要換氣閥要4、5千,他覺得不用拆引擎了,只簡單用了螺絲把進
氣調大了於是叫我試騎應該起步比之前有力,的確是這樣,但起步後的初速也等於是油門
到底的尾速了.....老闆也說好了,我覺得換了一堆重點都沒改善,你只是進氣調大,一
開始不用換零件把進氣調大就跟現在一樣,我也跟老闆說,一般都是起步頓挫時才換普
力珠,但你說會改善我相信你才換的,但都沒用,老闆不語,因為我趕著上晚班
我問他這樣多少,他說總共2500,比之後說的還貴200......
邊騎心情超不爽的,因為沒任何改善,又趕著上班.......
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因為老闆用壓力錶測引擎,說第三個問題就是引擎問題了,壓力不足......所以繼續
上網詢問....鄉民也熱烈的討論,也有鄉民私下來信尋持續問之
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5/29宏宜修不好後,因工作忙.....昨天6/18剛好白天有空
於是終於受不了這個鳥速度了,騎去彰化認識的店家修理,從逢甲騎到彰化市,
從環中路經成功嶺中山路到彰化市,極速騎約40、50分鐘,極速只有40公里吧,而且感覺
車快掛的感覺....
騎到機車店家,跟年紀50幾歲的老闆說明上次宏宜檢修更換原廠零件也不行的情形...
說宏宜老闆判斷是引擎問題,於是彰化老闆拆了引擎大致旋轉看了一下齒輪運轉,他說
引擎沒問題,於是要拆傳動,我說傳動都換新的原廠零件了......但老闆還是拆了...
老闆說的確都換新的,但是不是三陽原廠的還有待確認,我說大彈簧是二手的不是原廠的
他說皮帶和空濾的確是光陽和三陽原廠的,但是普力珠盤夾盤上面沒有原廠SYM的烙印,普
力珠原廠也沒有SYM標誌,所以普力珠未知....我說不可能,因為宏宜老闆還有拿袋子給
我看有SYM原廠貼紙,說這是SYM原廠的,應該是原廠的沒錯!於是彰化老闆就拿他店中
賣的SYM夾盤給我看,的確有SYM烙印,我說怎會這樣哩,還是原廠有不同規格,他只笑笑
說不知道,他建議我以後要換有烙印原廠標誌的最好.......
因為我有跟彰化老闆說宏宜老闆有清化油器,而且說我的原廠負壓膜久了變大了,不好
密合,換二手給我.....
彰化老闆說不可能阿,不會變大啊,他說是不是有噴清潔液,我說對,他說中毒了....
我聽不懂,他再說因為清潔液是有機溶劑,所以負壓膜沾到會變大,放兩三天就好了,
這樣一說我才懂,宏宜老闆還跟我說是用久的問題,把責任推到我的負壓膜,一聽到後
心理就不爽了.....
於是我又問彰化老闆,普力珠何時要換,老闆說沒破都不用換,聽了又很幹,我的普力珠
沒破,我又問,夾盤磨損有凹要換嗎?不用換啦,但宏宜老闆說要換,因為拿新的給我看
要平整的.....彰化老闆說他是不用換啦,就看消費者要不要換.....聽了又覺得心中不悅
難怪換了那麼多零件都沒用.....
於是彰化老闆看傳動也沒問題,於是就拿顆CDI裝上去.....
神了!果然問題在CDI隨便一加油門就60幾,極速80幾我就沒催上去了....
原來我的CDI故障了....剛好我之前車上有顆上次換掉受潮的CDI,應該乾燥了,換上去
,比老闆的那顆更順.......原本碼錶線碼錶齒輪斷了,都叫彰化老闆換掉,還有之前
空濾外盒自己弄斷1顆螺絲,另外1顆其它店家換空濾弄斷,於是也叫老闆一起換....
花了1300再換跟馬力無關的東西........老闆也把我的蘇落和進氣調為正常值了!
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於是跟老闆聊,為何現在在台中換機油很多店家都會說哪裡有問題該換....
他說有些東西都不用換的....
但生意競爭,店租壓力,學徒員工要養.....尤其是績效制的員工,低底薪,高獎金的
就會叫你換東換西拼業績賺獎金.....
他說修車有的問題要用經驗判斷,沒保握的就要用舊零件測試,沒問題了,才裝新的給
消費者,沒保握的他不會一下子就換新的給消費者,因為若不行,新的零件一定有磨損
,下個消費者一定不要....所以來機車店修理的客人一般對機車不內行,所以老闆怎麼
說怎麼換,不用換的也換,但重點車子要修好,雖然花錢消費者也甘願,比竟車子修好了
,但對於我上次沒修好又換一堆零件,他也不知道怎麼回答,難怪我也不爽!
修完了心情比較好,不過要在台中找一個固定可靠的修車店真的很難嗎?看網友都推的,
但第一次去修車經驗就不很好,還是真的要認識的才會比較實在?
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幾個問題請教鄉民...
1、之前因皮帶斷掉去A店,A店說因為原廠大彈簧比較緊,叫我換副廠的比較鬆,這樣換新
皮帶後比較不容易斷,但宏宜說原廠的太鬆,要換這個長硬的(現在的)抓的比要緊,
比較有力,但彰化老闆說原廠的比較好,是經過測試最穩的,我的老車換長硬的,驅動
耗油,而且馬力跟不上長硬大彈簧,長硬大彈簧是給改裝車大馬力用的?三家說法不同
,何者為對?
2、為何原廠的袋子有SYM貼紙,但裡頭沒烙印SYM商標的零件,也是原廠的嗎?是不同
批貨嗎?還是原廠的都有烙印自己的商標?因為我再次跟彰化老闆強調,我剛裝的
零件真的從原廠袋子拿出來的應該不會錯!
3、若是零件只是CDI出問題,換了一堆零件都沒任何效果,老闆強調這都是問題,沒修
對地方只能花冤枉錢自認倒楣嗎?
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也感謝幾位鄉民私下來訊持續關心.....這也是修車經驗,供大家參考....
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緣由:
因125的風雲騎起來笨笨的沒速度,於是5/29星期三去網友推薦的台中高工宏宜
想若網友推薦的不錯,將以後從逢甲跑到高工那找固定實在的店家修理
重述修車情況:
5/29號星期三下午3點,第一次跑去網友推的宏宜,告訴老闆經網友介紹,特地從逢甲
跑到高工來修車,因為車子速度笨笨的,加速沒力沒速度,30公里的車就很難超..
也跟老闆說會將修車最後情況回文到網路上,老闆一再強烈拒絕,原因是,他怕經網推薦
生意會太好,若有特定問題的車找他修要花時間,會耽誤其它簡易的換機油、輪胎等等
工作時間.....心想也對,老闆說有的車查不出原因,花了時間該怎麼跟消費者索費?
心想也對.....
但一切事情真的發生在我的車子上......
我的13年舊車風雲125,因為上述原因,特意跑去給老闆修,老闆試騎後,打開傳動,就說
原因很多,看我怎麼修,我說車子舊了,只要跑老車的速度就可,新車100,至少老車也80
公里,可以超30、40公里速度的車就好,因為現在只騎市區上班,因為我的車引擎安靜,
不吃機油,一發就動,不抖動,就只有一個問題,速度笨笨的,起速無力,極速約40~50
公里.......我跟老闆說預算2000內,只要有提升至老車的速度水準就可,不行就要換車了....
我特意跟老闆說要換原廠的零件,不要副廠的....
老闆說普力珠有磨損,皮帶有裂,夾盤有磨損,空濾要換....報價1950,比我預算少50
老闆還特意拿零件外包裝給我看,除皮帶是光陽原廠外,其它都是三陽原廠
看了包裝的確是這樣.......
但換修到一半,說少報了另一半夾盤,要價400看我要不要修,我當然說一定要修阿
總共2300,比我的預算多300,心想車速度有提升正常就好......
換完後,老闆試騎後,果然不行,跟原來一模一樣,老闆就說我的原廠的三陽彈簧比較不
緊,換裝更長更硬的二手大彈簧,我試騎了還是一樣....
於是老闆就拆了化油器,給我看,有點濃稠的膏狀物,我就說髒了吧,他說這是第二個
原因,於是噴了清潔劑清潔,負壓膜也檢查無破裂,但他裝不回去了,因為他說這個原
廠用久了會變大,所以裝不密合,拿一個二手的來給我裝,他說這樣應該就解決了...
於是他又試騎,又沒有任何改善,他私底下調"蘇落"之後我試騎有沒有改善,原本我還說
老闆覺得可以就可以,但老闆堅持叫我試騎,果然一點都沒有改善,反而聲音更大聲,我
跟老闆說,完全沒改善,只是聲音更大聲,你是不是調蘇落,他也承認了,一點都沒改善
,於是他又拆舊黃包裝了三陽原廠的彈簧,硬度長度和我原有的一樣,還是不行,他就換回
他的二手長硬的大彈簧.....
耗了3個小時,他說一定是引擎,我說網友討論可能是氣閥漏氣,他測了壓力,就說應該是
15但我的只有8,於是他說要換氣閥要4、5千,他覺得不用拆引擎了,只簡單用了螺絲把進
氣調大了於是叫我試騎應該起步比之前有力,的確是這樣,但起步後的初速也等於是油門
到底的尾速了.....老闆也說好了,我覺得換了一堆重點都沒改善,你只是進氣調大,一
開始不用換零件把進氣調大就跟現在一樣,我也跟老闆說,一般都是起步頓挫時才換普
力珠,但你說會改善我相信你才換的,但都沒用,老闆不語,因為我趕著上晚班
我問他這樣多少,他說總共2500,比之後說的還貴200......
邊騎心情超不爽的,因為沒任何改善,又趕著上班.......
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因為老闆用壓力錶測引擎,說第三個問題就是引擎問題了,壓力不足......所以繼續
上網詢問....鄉民也熱烈的討論,也有鄉民私下來信尋持續問之
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
5/29宏宜修不好後,因工作忙.....昨天6/18剛好白天有空
於是終於受不了這個鳥速度了,騎去彰化認識的店家修理,從逢甲騎到彰化市,
從環中路經成功嶺中山路到彰化市,極速騎約40、50分鐘,極速只有40公里吧,而且感覺
車快掛的感覺....
騎到機車店家,跟年紀50幾歲的老闆說明上次宏宜檢修更換原廠零件也不行的情形...
說宏宜老闆判斷是引擎問題,於是彰化老闆拆了引擎大致旋轉看了一下齒輪運轉,他說
引擎沒問題,於是要拆傳動,我說傳動都換新的原廠零件了......但老闆還是拆了...
老闆說的確都換新的,但是不是三陽原廠的還有待確認,我說大彈簧是二手的不是原廠的
他說皮帶和空濾的確是光陽和三陽原廠的,但是普力珠盤夾盤上面沒有原廠SYM的烙印,普
力珠原廠也沒有SYM標誌,所以普力珠未知....我說不可能,因為宏宜老闆還有拿袋子給
我看有SYM原廠貼紙,說這是SYM原廠的,應該是原廠的沒錯!於是彰化老闆就拿他店中
賣的SYM夾盤給我看,的確有SYM烙印,我說怎會這樣哩,還是原廠有不同規格,他只笑笑
說不知道,他建議我以後要換有烙印原廠標誌的最好.......
因為我有跟彰化老闆說宏宜老闆有清化油器,而且說我的原廠負壓膜久了變大了,不好
密合,換二手給我.....
彰化老闆說不可能阿,不會變大啊,他說是不是有噴清潔液,我說對,他說中毒了....
我聽不懂,他再說因為清潔液是有機溶劑,所以負壓膜沾到會變大,放兩三天就好了,
這樣一說我才懂,宏宜老闆還跟我說是用久的問題,把責任推到我的負壓膜,一聽到後
心理就不爽了.....
於是我又問彰化老闆,普力珠何時要換,老闆說沒破都不用換,聽了又很幹,我的普力珠
沒破,我又問,夾盤磨損有凹要換嗎?不用換啦,但宏宜老闆說要換,因為拿新的給我看
要平整的.....彰化老闆說他是不用換啦,就看消費者要不要換.....聽了又覺得心中不悅
難怪換了那麼多零件都沒用.....
於是彰化老闆看傳動也沒問題,於是就拿顆CDI裝上去.....
神了!果然問題在CDI隨便一加油門就60幾,極速80幾我就沒催上去了....
原來我的CDI故障了....剛好我之前車上有顆上次換掉受潮的CDI,應該乾燥了,換上去
,比老闆的那顆更順.......原本碼錶線碼錶齒輪斷了,都叫彰化老闆換掉,還有之前
空濾外盒自己弄斷1顆螺絲,另外1顆其它店家換空濾弄斷,於是也叫老闆一起換....
花了1300再換跟馬力無關的東西........老闆也把我的蘇落和進氣調為正常值了!
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於是跟老闆聊,為何現在在台中換機油很多店家都會說哪裡有問題該換....
他說有些東西都不用換的....
但生意競爭,店租壓力,學徒員工要養.....尤其是績效制的員工,低底薪,高獎金的
就會叫你換東換西拼業績賺獎金.....
他說修車有的問題要用經驗判斷,沒保握的就要用舊零件測試,沒問題了,才裝新的給
消費者,沒保握的他不會一下子就換新的給消費者,因為若不行,新的零件一定有磨損
,下個消費者一定不要....所以來機車店修理的客人一般對機車不內行,所以老闆怎麼
說怎麼換,不用換的也換,但重點車子要修好,雖然花錢消費者也甘願,比竟車子修好了
,但對於我上次沒修好又換一堆零件,他也不知道怎麼回答,難怪我也不爽!
修完了心情比較好,不過要在台中找一個固定可靠的修車店真的很難嗎?看網友都推的,
但第一次去修車經驗就不很好,還是真的要認識的才會比較實在?
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幾個問題請教鄉民...
1、之前因皮帶斷掉去A店,A店說因為原廠大彈簧比較緊,叫我換副廠的比較鬆,這樣換新
皮帶後比較不容易斷,但宏宜說原廠的太鬆,要換這個長硬的(現在的)抓的比要緊,
比較有力,但彰化老闆說原廠的比較好,是經過測試最穩的,我的老車換長硬的,驅動
耗油,而且馬力跟不上長硬大彈簧,長硬大彈簧是給改裝車大馬力用的?三家說法不同
,何者為對?
2、為何原廠的袋子有SYM貼紙,但裡頭沒烙印SYM商標的零件,也是原廠的嗎?是不同
批貨嗎?還是原廠的都有烙印自己的商標?因為我再次跟彰化老闆強調,我剛裝的
零件真的從原廠袋子拿出來的應該不會錯!
3、若是零件只是CDI出問題,換了一堆零件都沒任何效果,老闆強調這都是問題,沒修
對地方只能花冤枉錢自認倒楣嗎?
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也感謝幾位鄉民私下來訊持續關心.....這也是修車經驗,供大家參考....
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